paskal
07-11 12:54 PM
Off topic, but I'm confused in figuring out the standards for closing topics in this forum. I've seen threads with much lower tone, fewer personal attacks and cleaner language being called useless bickering and closed.
I don't mean anyone personally, and I can be wrong, but to me it seems like if the people involved are not moderators and expressing reasonable argument against an IV goal or IV practice it's quickly a target for closing. While if a moderator is involved and has enough supporters to overpower the other party, the thread is kept open with no problem even though it's the same level of bickering and insult exchange.
hey bfadlia,
how goes life with you? its human to see things through personal lenses. when you are involved in a thread and want a discussion you (or i) will always feel it is a target, if it gets clsoed....
personally i hate closing threads. i give tons of warnings and keep stating...i will close...but rarely do :-)
in this case, the effort is to bring the thread back to the original discussion, in deference to the original posters.
we seem to succeed intermittently....until we are thrown back OT :-)
hope it's a sunny warm MN weekend!
ps at the same time moderators are human too...and i don't think there has been much overpowering here, last i noted, i was the one apologising :-)
I don't mean anyone personally, and I can be wrong, but to me it seems like if the people involved are not moderators and expressing reasonable argument against an IV goal or IV practice it's quickly a target for closing. While if a moderator is involved and has enough supporters to overpower the other party, the thread is kept open with no problem even though it's the same level of bickering and insult exchange.
hey bfadlia,
how goes life with you? its human to see things through personal lenses. when you are involved in a thread and want a discussion you (or i) will always feel it is a target, if it gets clsoed....
personally i hate closing threads. i give tons of warnings and keep stating...i will close...but rarely do :-)
in this case, the effort is to bring the thread back to the original discussion, in deference to the original posters.
we seem to succeed intermittently....until we are thrown back OT :-)
hope it's a sunny warm MN weekend!
ps at the same time moderators are human too...and i don't think there has been much overpowering here, last i noted, i was the one apologising :-)
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krupa
05-11 04:58 PM
Talk about present and future. Use good language, bad language shows your mentality
Hi ps3539 (Mr Genius)-->
What should be done to people who already got their GC or Citizenship using substitute labor? Should they be kicked out of the USA?
Hi ps3539 (Mr Genius)-->
What should be done to people who already got their GC or Citizenship using substitute labor? Should they be kicked out of the USA?
anurakt
12-19 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by khodalmd
Friends,
Since inception of IV, I contributed four time total $400. To encourage members who have not contributed so far, I have following deal.
Five members who are first time contributing more than $50 each should post here. After I will have information about five new members' contribution, I will contribute $100 more
Time : 12/19/06 11.43 ET
Your pledge is over ... see above...it's your turn man. We have 2 new contribution of 50$ or more.
Friends,
Since inception of IV, I contributed four time total $400. To encourage members who have not contributed so far, I have following deal.
Five members who are first time contributing more than $50 each should post here. After I will have information about five new members' contribution, I will contribute $100 more
Time : 12/19/06 11.43 ET
Your pledge is over ... see above...it's your turn man. We have 2 new contribution of 50$ or more.
2011 of the Cariboo Gold Rush,
realizeit
02-25 03:47 PM
Dear friends: Thank you all for the wonderful support and willingness to work for this. We need to convert our word to action in the coming days, if IV CORE has a positive feasibility analysis result.
"Nothing preaches better than the act."
~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790, American Scientist, Publisher, Diplomat)
So all of you who support this, please think in terms of how you can convert your verbal support into action in some way, in the coming days.
Regarding a HIGH VISIBILITY Campaign
"Sometimes a scalpel is better than a sword"
My opinion: Personally, I am against high visibility campaign for an admin fix. We do not need too much visibilty for an admin fix unlike a legislative fix. In the case of admin fix, we need to focus on those few who can positively act on our request. In this case, those might be Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano, USCIS acting director etc. In the case of an admin fix a highly talented, politically skilled, IV delegation should work as the front end of this effort. While all others in the community should raise funds to support this delegation and their activities. We can form regional groups to raise funds on behalf of IV. Many of you can do that. Form groups of 5 at each region and try to arrange an Indian/Chinese movie show in your local theatre for raising funds. You can come up with better ideas than this for raising funds. This is just an idea came to my mind from my limited knowledge.
YESSS ..
after looooong time i am seeing a good idea ...
Approaching Hillary is right one.
Can we do letter campaign , similar one we did with President Bush ?
"Nothing preaches better than the act."
~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790, American Scientist, Publisher, Diplomat)
So all of you who support this, please think in terms of how you can convert your verbal support into action in some way, in the coming days.
Regarding a HIGH VISIBILITY Campaign
"Sometimes a scalpel is better than a sword"
My opinion: Personally, I am against high visibility campaign for an admin fix. We do not need too much visibilty for an admin fix unlike a legislative fix. In the case of admin fix, we need to focus on those few who can positively act on our request. In this case, those might be Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano, USCIS acting director etc. In the case of an admin fix a highly talented, politically skilled, IV delegation should work as the front end of this effort. While all others in the community should raise funds to support this delegation and their activities. We can form regional groups to raise funds on behalf of IV. Many of you can do that. Form groups of 5 at each region and try to arrange an Indian/Chinese movie show in your local theatre for raising funds. You can come up with better ideas than this for raising funds. This is just an idea came to my mind from my limited knowledge.
YESSS ..
after looooong time i am seeing a good idea ...
Approaching Hillary is right one.
Can we do letter campaign , similar one we did with President Bush ?
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unitednations
02-04 01:08 PM
Hey UN
Are you aware of State Deptt URLs that explain current immigration rules (similar to IRS rules) as following.
Someone posted a URL that requires a good choice of search words. Such a process may not get all info specially for a novice like me. Thanks.
that's right the actual law had two words that could change the actual meaning of how they are supposed to do it (ie., vertical versus horizontal). Some people (i was one of them) thought that at such a stalemate in the words that coomon sense should prevail. Common sense would dictate that skill would prevail over diversity.
However; the rules were always such that there was never any horizontal spillover but rather vertical. The main thing that changed was that the unused visas from row could be used by retrogressed countries quarterly rather then annually.
Are you aware of State Deptt URLs that explain current immigration rules (similar to IRS rules) as following.
Someone posted a URL that requires a good choice of search words. Such a process may not get all info specially for a novice like me. Thanks.
that's right the actual law had two words that could change the actual meaning of how they are supposed to do it (ie., vertical versus horizontal). Some people (i was one of them) thought that at such a stalemate in the words that coomon sense should prevail. Common sense would dictate that skill would prevail over diversity.
However; the rules were always such that there was never any horizontal spillover but rather vertical. The main thing that changed was that the unused visas from row could be used by retrogressed countries quarterly rather then annually.
chanduv23
11-11 03:32 PM
Chandu - Can I Ask you something here.
Just today I was reading on the ac21 thread, how you lamented that we as a community dont stand up for injustice and how some folks are worried that writing AC21 letter may mess up their situation somehow ......
And right now , you are suggesting that the best thing is to get out of any kind of mess. So the person knew he was doing something illegal and his 8 month old kid was beaten up and you feel he paid the price and now No Problem and he should move on ???????????
Somehow, this 2 + 2 isnt equating 4 for me. What am I missing here ?
Sorry Chandu but I'm disappointed with you right now.
You misunderstood my point here. Everyone are doing things at their own risk and must be ready to face any consequences.
Our friend did know she was on tourist visa and illegal to work.
Let me explain what is happening on sulekha
You have some people advertising that they provide nannies for elderly care, child care, they provide food on daily basis and also provide cooks for occasions, services ranging from janitor work, to helping with groceries and all sorts of stuff.
This industry is big - very very big. Some agencies did tell us they have nannies on j1 visa.
We on this forum who are very vocal are the most innocent folks in the world when it comes to this kind of stuff and we have a straight tangential approach of punish someone for beating the kid.
Well - lets use our brains instead. Believe me - our community does not have any sympathy, because we are not united.
People can come on this forum and give advises - but the person who implements it must know what he can expect and that's why he posted here. Our friend is on h1b and maybe having his 485 pending and he must have careful thoughts before he leaps into something.
What is the guarantee that a certified nanny wont ill treat the child. I have heard that nannies need not beat the child but do give mild sedation to babies in their milk so that the nanny can be in peace. If a nanny is doing that do you think she will be caught on tape?
There are tons of things nannies do and you may never be aware of it or may not be caught on video tape.
Just today I was reading on the ac21 thread, how you lamented that we as a community dont stand up for injustice and how some folks are worried that writing AC21 letter may mess up their situation somehow ......
And right now , you are suggesting that the best thing is to get out of any kind of mess. So the person knew he was doing something illegal and his 8 month old kid was beaten up and you feel he paid the price and now No Problem and he should move on ???????????
Somehow, this 2 + 2 isnt equating 4 for me. What am I missing here ?
Sorry Chandu but I'm disappointed with you right now.
You misunderstood my point here. Everyone are doing things at their own risk and must be ready to face any consequences.
Our friend did know she was on tourist visa and illegal to work.
Let me explain what is happening on sulekha
You have some people advertising that they provide nannies for elderly care, child care, they provide food on daily basis and also provide cooks for occasions, services ranging from janitor work, to helping with groceries and all sorts of stuff.
This industry is big - very very big. Some agencies did tell us they have nannies on j1 visa.
We on this forum who are very vocal are the most innocent folks in the world when it comes to this kind of stuff and we have a straight tangential approach of punish someone for beating the kid.
Well - lets use our brains instead. Believe me - our community does not have any sympathy, because we are not united.
People can come on this forum and give advises - but the person who implements it must know what he can expect and that's why he posted here. Our friend is on h1b and maybe having his 485 pending and he must have careful thoughts before he leaps into something.
What is the guarantee that a certified nanny wont ill treat the child. I have heard that nannies need not beat the child but do give mild sedation to babies in their milk so that the nanny can be in peace. If a nanny is doing that do you think she will be caught on tape?
There are tons of things nannies do and you may never be aware of it or may not be caught on video tape.
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PlainSpeak
04-15 10:47 AM
People who are going to benefit by this will support this. Others oppose.
I believe you belong to latter.
One thing to remember is this provision helps STEM grads irrespective of their EB-class.
legal speak: right now law does exist. F1 to GC would be illegal. This provision is to make the conversion legal
plain speak: look beyond your own situation. Since you are not going to benefit directly, does not mean you stand against it.
Lastly, everybody's parents don't have so much money like you think. People do get 13% student loans in India to fund their studies.
Changing F1 to GC law to make it legal has as much chance as getting law change to not include dependents. I would rather support the latter then support F1 to GC law change
I do look beyond my own situation and thats why i support current spillover rules and filing 485 without current PD issue even though it does not help me directly in any way what soever and if fact is dterimental to my EB3 case.
Can you say the same ? C
Can you support an argument to give 50 k dv visa to badly retrogressed category irrespective of preference category?
Fact is You are the one who cannot see beyond your own selfish needs and you are accusing me of the same thing you are doing
As far as i know the whole MS F1 visa is a big scam and loophole to enter us and stay here when you are not supposed to and that is the loophole that needs to be closed first instesad of worrying about fruad porting and EB1 fraud. Closing thsi student GC loophole will clear up the whole EB retrogression mess
I believe you belong to latter.
One thing to remember is this provision helps STEM grads irrespective of their EB-class.
legal speak: right now law does exist. F1 to GC would be illegal. This provision is to make the conversion legal
plain speak: look beyond your own situation. Since you are not going to benefit directly, does not mean you stand against it.
Lastly, everybody's parents don't have so much money like you think. People do get 13% student loans in India to fund their studies.
Changing F1 to GC law to make it legal has as much chance as getting law change to not include dependents. I would rather support the latter then support F1 to GC law change
I do look beyond my own situation and thats why i support current spillover rules and filing 485 without current PD issue even though it does not help me directly in any way what soever and if fact is dterimental to my EB3 case.
Can you say the same ? C
Can you support an argument to give 50 k dv visa to badly retrogressed category irrespective of preference category?
Fact is You are the one who cannot see beyond your own selfish needs and you are accusing me of the same thing you are doing
As far as i know the whole MS F1 visa is a big scam and loophole to enter us and stay here when you are not supposed to and that is the loophole that needs to be closed first instesad of worrying about fruad porting and EB1 fraud. Closing thsi student GC loophole will clear up the whole EB retrogression mess
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WaitingForMyGC
07-17 09:08 PM
Great JOB, IV. You are the best.
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lacrossegc
12-02 01:29 AM
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hey that reminds me of kishore kumar :)
hey that reminds me of kishore kumar :)
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Rajeev
12-19 08:41 AM
Just sent my $100
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Saralayar
07-17 07:01 PM
Proud to be a part of IV. IV give hope to legal immigrants when we lacked direction during crunch times.
ANother victory to the crown of IV. IV is Unique and Ultimate....
ANother victory to the crown of IV. IV is Unique and Ultimate....
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neverbefore
08-28 01:25 AM
I guess My interview didn't go as expected.
1) I reached the office an hour early.
2) After waiting,they did security check and let us in
3) Then the lady who was assigned my case, came and took us into her room
4) Oath, etc
5) She then started asking for Birth cert, Marriage Cert, kids birth certi, 140 approval copy.
6) Then she pulled a file (which was labelled DOS Visa bulletins) and spent around 15 mins on Oct 2007 bulletin.
7) Then asked us who filed your 485..you did your self or your employer did..we said employer.
8) Then she said, something is not right..per Oct 2007 bulleting Visa's are unavailable so yours was not filed properly.
9) Then I said, ours was filed in Aug 8th 2007. She insisted the receipt date is oct 2007..then we showed her our 485 reciept.
10) Then she thanked us and started looking at Aug 2007 visa bulletin. and said, even then in Aug 2007 EB2 was U, so yours was not properly filed.
11) I told her, There was an interim Memo released by USCIS that they will accept application until Aug-17 2007 based on July 2007 visa bulletin
12) She said she will look at DOS bulletins
13) After 10 mins she said, she cant find any such memo..and said, since there is no evidence with her, she has to deny our case based on "Improper filing when PD was not current"
14) Then I said, if PD was not current, wouldn't TSC return the application denying on the spot? Why would they accept the application?
15) She said, you would think so..but they accept many times..so we are told to verify all the time
16) THen said, she believes us but for process, she needs evidence and said she will look into further and then make a judgment.
17) We had no choice and we were over the interview. we were little disappointed though
18) After coming home, I realized she took all I-94s and we got panicked..because if 485 is getting denied and I-94s are gone, how do we prove our legal status, so we thought of going back..then I thought, if have to go anyway, then I should take a print out of Interim Memo
19) I went back an hour later with the print out
20) I told security that, we had finished our interview and officer forgot to return our I-94..they insisted that we shud take infopass and they wont allow anyone to go back..I had to really argue with them (I decided I have nothing to loose..anyway 485 is screwed and so stood there asking them to let me in)
21) After consistent nagging, the security guy took our passports, interview response letter(After interview if your app doesn't get appproved they willgive a kind of reciept saying u attended the interview..blahblah) and went in
22) Came back and told me to go in since the officer wants more details from you (I thought this was a miracle)
23) I went inside, and after a while officer came back. We apologized and told her that we came back for I-94s..she said they will retain and wont return..We told her that we are not using EAD and we are still on H1B..she said she will give back..
then she asked, I am sure you didnt come back for I-94 alone, did you get any document?
24) We showed her the memo.
25) She read that and said I am glad you came back..this clears everything out..I will run this by my supervisor and will see if we can adjust status today
26) We waited for 2 hrs and then she took us inside.
27) Asked our passports (to stamp...really)
28) Then she looked into the computer to get the visa #.
29) The we noticed a changed in her face and then she quickly turned into a folder of current VISA bulletin..we said..oh..no..not again.
30) The officer said, per visa bulletin u r current and ur PD is dec 2005..there is no reason for system not to allocated a visa #..
31)She tried for 10-15 mins and finally gave up..said she cant stamp in the passport without allotting the visa number..said sorry..I cant do anything..I will follow up with DOS ppl and will let you know in a week or so.
32) The reason she gave is, when she tried to allot the visa, she got a message, "cut off date not established". I have no idea what this means.
hmmm....still keeping fingers crossed..this is nothing short of a car race.
:confused:
I hope you get the approval, buddy. I appreciate the effort you put into writing this post.
1) I reached the office an hour early.
2) After waiting,they did security check and let us in
3) Then the lady who was assigned my case, came and took us into her room
4) Oath, etc
5) She then started asking for Birth cert, Marriage Cert, kids birth certi, 140 approval copy.
6) Then she pulled a file (which was labelled DOS Visa bulletins) and spent around 15 mins on Oct 2007 bulletin.
7) Then asked us who filed your 485..you did your self or your employer did..we said employer.
8) Then she said, something is not right..per Oct 2007 bulleting Visa's are unavailable so yours was not filed properly.
9) Then I said, ours was filed in Aug 8th 2007. She insisted the receipt date is oct 2007..then we showed her our 485 reciept.
10) Then she thanked us and started looking at Aug 2007 visa bulletin. and said, even then in Aug 2007 EB2 was U, so yours was not properly filed.
11) I told her, There was an interim Memo released by USCIS that they will accept application until Aug-17 2007 based on July 2007 visa bulletin
12) She said she will look at DOS bulletins
13) After 10 mins she said, she cant find any such memo..and said, since there is no evidence with her, she has to deny our case based on "Improper filing when PD was not current"
14) Then I said, if PD was not current, wouldn't TSC return the application denying on the spot? Why would they accept the application?
15) She said, you would think so..but they accept many times..so we are told to verify all the time
16) THen said, she believes us but for process, she needs evidence and said she will look into further and then make a judgment.
17) We had no choice and we were over the interview. we were little disappointed though
18) After coming home, I realized she took all I-94s and we got panicked..because if 485 is getting denied and I-94s are gone, how do we prove our legal status, so we thought of going back..then I thought, if have to go anyway, then I should take a print out of Interim Memo
19) I went back an hour later with the print out
20) I told security that, we had finished our interview and officer forgot to return our I-94..they insisted that we shud take infopass and they wont allow anyone to go back..I had to really argue with them (I decided I have nothing to loose..anyway 485 is screwed and so stood there asking them to let me in)
21) After consistent nagging, the security guy took our passports, interview response letter(After interview if your app doesn't get appproved they willgive a kind of reciept saying u attended the interview..blahblah) and went in
22) Came back and told me to go in since the officer wants more details from you (I thought this was a miracle)
23) I went inside, and after a while officer came back. We apologized and told her that we came back for I-94s..she said they will retain and wont return..We told her that we are not using EAD and we are still on H1B..she said she will give back..
then she asked, I am sure you didnt come back for I-94 alone, did you get any document?
24) We showed her the memo.
25) She read that and said I am glad you came back..this clears everything out..I will run this by my supervisor and will see if we can adjust status today
26) We waited for 2 hrs and then she took us inside.
27) Asked our passports (to stamp...really)
28) Then she looked into the computer to get the visa #.
29) The we noticed a changed in her face and then she quickly turned into a folder of current VISA bulletin..we said..oh..no..not again.
30) The officer said, per visa bulletin u r current and ur PD is dec 2005..there is no reason for system not to allocated a visa #..
31)She tried for 10-15 mins and finally gave up..said she cant stamp in the passport without allotting the visa number..said sorry..I cant do anything..I will follow up with DOS ppl and will let you know in a week or so.
32) The reason she gave is, when she tried to allot the visa, she got a message, "cut off date not established". I have no idea what this means.
hmmm....still keeping fingers crossed..this is nothing short of a car race.
:confused:
I hope you get the approval, buddy. I appreciate the effort you put into writing this post.
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Macaca
07-17 08:54 PM
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Hello Pappu
Did you file in June or are you filable now?
Hello Pappu
Did you file in June or are you filable now?
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Pineapple
02-03 10:03 PM
Here is a good thread where retrogression, schedule A etc is discussed and explained:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2320
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2320
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zazona.com
09-07 11:59 PM
good work Sherman_tribiani, i am watching this group of "highly skilled job stealer” for sometime. they merely talk and do nothing. most of them r scared to do anything. they r scared of u & me. they r not scared when they steal our jobs and we will scare the hell out these ba$tard$ to make them do in their pants before we kick them out. gheen told me about this group and he also said that not to waste my time on these job stealers as they r weak and incapable of doing anything, other than stealing our jobs and outsourcing.
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optimystic
08-25 05:23 PM
holy cow..if the visas are already U for this Month..
I am thinking about the probability of the officer opening my case next month and then approving the case? I cant see that happening anyway..
Very near yet so far..I guess now I clearly understand what that means. :cool:
Good luck to all of you for your GCs ;)
What does it mean that EB2 numbers became unavailable as of Aug 21st? !!!!!
The Sept Visa bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4328.html) states that India EB2 cutoff date is 01 Aug 06 !!
If the visa numbers are indeed exhausted, then, the Sept Visa bulletin will be INCORRECT ! and the USCIS/DOS has to redact the Sept bulletin !!! Sounds like another fiasco brewing to me ! Call it EB2-I Fiasco ! You heard it first here. :)
Would be interesting to see how one can legally corner USCIS with proper evidence that they bungled up. They could always keep all cases in pending state , saying they are still processing/waiting for data, examining details etc, and not have to approve any EB2 cases in the month of Sept..... But would be very difficult to hide it from public and AILA etc...
They could then wait until Oct so new numbers get allotted, and then they can adjust EB2-I cutoff dates more carefully at that time.... gimme_GC2006 pray to god that , come oct bulletin, EB2-I does not retrogress beneath your PD ! All my best wishes to you.
I am thinking about the probability of the officer opening my case next month and then approving the case? I cant see that happening anyway..
Very near yet so far..I guess now I clearly understand what that means. :cool:
Good luck to all of you for your GCs ;)
What does it mean that EB2 numbers became unavailable as of Aug 21st? !!!!!
The Sept Visa bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_4328.html) states that India EB2 cutoff date is 01 Aug 06 !!
If the visa numbers are indeed exhausted, then, the Sept Visa bulletin will be INCORRECT ! and the USCIS/DOS has to redact the Sept bulletin !!! Sounds like another fiasco brewing to me ! Call it EB2-I Fiasco ! You heard it first here. :)
Would be interesting to see how one can legally corner USCIS with proper evidence that they bungled up. They could always keep all cases in pending state , saying they are still processing/waiting for data, examining details etc, and not have to approve any EB2 cases in the month of Sept..... But would be very difficult to hide it from public and AILA etc...
They could then wait until Oct so new numbers get allotted, and then they can adjust EB2-I cutoff dates more carefully at that time.... gimme_GC2006 pray to god that , come oct bulletin, EB2-I does not retrogress beneath your PD ! All my best wishes to you.
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dtekkedil
07-06 09:37 PM
u guys are negating the effect of the "gandhigiri" by sending the flowers and then sayin f$#k u for screwing it up, thats a stupid strategy and fails the essence of the "gandhigiri" cAmpaign
You are missing the point folks!
Please try to stick to this message (or something along those lines).
I understand your agency does all it can; Do the best job it can.
I also hope you empathize with the frustrations of a legal immigrant.
A small token of peaceful protest and hoping for the best.
I know you are all angry but please please please control yourself. We want to sound mellow and sympathetic!
No one expects USCIS to change their decision because of this! The flowers and the message are ONLY to make a point!
Everything will be explained in the letters we mail to the media but it can only work if we stick to that message!
You are missing the point folks!
Please try to stick to this message (or something along those lines).
I understand your agency does all it can; Do the best job it can.
I also hope you empathize with the frustrations of a legal immigrant.
A small token of peaceful protest and hoping for the best.
I know you are all angry but please please please control yourself. We want to sound mellow and sympathetic!
No one expects USCIS to change their decision because of this! The flowers and the message are ONLY to make a point!
Everything will be explained in the letters we mail to the media but it can only work if we stick to that message!
TomTancredo
03-06 03:39 PM
for $50...
tomatocup
04-13 09:00 AM
Anyone here under regular cap (65,000) got the "Receipt Notice"?
